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Edwards' Endorsement

Hillary Clinton 2008

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Edwards' Endorsement

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Nerd!girl
I would've respected Edwards' endorsement a lot more, if
  • He hadn't repeatedly said that "Barack Obama is the MAN to do it . . ."
  • It hadn't been clearly timed to take attention away from Hillary's WV win
  • I hadn't then within 20 minutes received an email from him asking for money for his college scholarship program (to which I responded letting him know exactly why I wasn't going to donate)
  • It made any sort of logical sense


The last is the thing I can't figure out. From my understanding of the announcement, Edwards saw that Obama was having difficulty attracting the core democratic electorate, and so he decided to endorse him. Am I the only one that sees those two statements as orthogonal to each other?? Why not throw your support behind the person who CAN attract the electorate on their own merit??

The Obama supporter with whom I take the train (and I still can't figure out why he's an Obama supporter) and I had an interesting discussion this morning, he's still not entirely sure that Obama can win against McCain in the fall, and he said he thinks Hillary's staying in the race so that when McCain wins, she'll be able to say "I told you so," and she'll get the nomination in four years handed to her on a silver platter. It's an interesting thought, and the only thing giving me comfort at the moment.
  • I agree completely with your second paragraph.

    Also, I got that email from Edwards. I replied and said:

    "I have nothing but contempt for John Edwards after the stunt he pulled tonight, endorsing a weak candidate to minimize Hillary Clinton's big win in WV. It was underhanded and petty, and only served to reinforce my decision to NEVER vote for Barack Obama. Both of them are dead to me."

    Not that HE will ever read it, but it made ME feel better.
    • So you would rather vote for a candidate that is the complete opposite of what your candidate stands for and allow the likes of a JOhn McCain to win? I think that is an insult to Hillary Clinton and what SHE stands for and not what she would want to happen. I throroughly beleive she would rather have a democrat int he office, even if it wasn't her. I don't believe she is that self centered and self serving. I haven't loved every democratic candidate I have voted for, but I beleived in the principals of the democratic party over the Republican party and stuck with it, even when it hurt a little. I COULD not vote for Bush and I WILL not vote for McCain.

    • Yep. After Reagan we dealt with Bush 1 for 4 years before we had Clinton step in. The country won't shrivel up and die after 12 years of Repugnican rule. It'll just be well-primed for a Clinton to clean up.
    • And she is welcome to vote for the democratic candidate. I am an independant, and I vote for candidates, not parties. Of those two candidates, I can not bring myself to vote for either.

      NOT that it matters... I am in West Virginia, which will go resoundingly for McCain.
      • NOT that it matters... I am in West Virginia, which will go resoundingly for McCain.

        Your state made me so f-ing proud when it gave a resounding middle finger to all of the people who are already trying to call Obama the nominee.
      • West Virginians are currently my favourite people, so begrudge them nothing at the moment. :D
        • ROFL! Haven't you heard? We don't count. Also, according to the Obama_2008 folks, we are the "Jim Bob and Bubba" vote, "the lowest common denominator", AND "un-educated racist masses".

          I can't imagine why their guy didn't do better here. ;)
      • "Almost heaven, West Virginia..."

        My new favorite song.
    • If Hill supporters do fall in line and vote Obama, do you think the DNC is going to take any of our criticism of their horrendous mismanagement of this primary season seriously? They have fucked up royal. I propose some tough love to get the party back in order.
      • Yes, the DNC is way out there this season. It is shocking. No wonder we (Democrats) have problems winning the Presidency! To try and deny two major states their voice... Come on!

        I am really upset that Edwards did this, for many reasons. Out of nowhere when Clinton was really getting momentum again, and proving that she has what it takes to win in the fall. And, yes, the timing sucks. I am just astounded actually.
    • What I think is an insult to Hillary Clinton is the fact that Obama and his surrogates, along with his media cheerleaders, have been blatanly sexist and no one says a goddamn thing about it.

      Hillary certainly is a bigger person than I am, but I don't consider voting for McCain self-centered. In my own small way, I'll be sending a message to the DNC and everyone who let this ridiculous situation happen that it's not okay to trample all over women. If they want to be misogynists and fools, they can pay the price by losing my vote. If we all jump into lockstep behind Obama, we're telling them that they can take us for granted.

      My loyatly doesn't lie with a bunch of hacks running around DC biting their nails and casting their votes for someone who can't win.

  • See, that Obama supporter knows. That's why Clintonites would have to vote for McCain...to watch Obama go down in flames and then put up with McCain for 4 years until Hills snag it. It'd happen, too, because I don't think anyone would even listen to anything Obama had to say by then. Douchebag.

    Think of the pattern: Reagan 8 years, Bush1 4 years, Clinton 8 years...Bush2 8 years, McCain 4 years, Clinton 8 years. ^_~
    • So then you don't really support Clinton's policies, only Clinton?

      Fortunately, every single one of the Clinton supporters I know don't think like this... I personally think either Clinton or Obama would be a MILLION times better than McCain, and I DO think 4 years of McCain could have DEVASTATING consequences for our country... We are the brink of disaster as it is... (I too am an idependant and have voted for republicans, however, not in recent years, and I disagree with the majority of what they have to offer right now. I may have voted for McCain years ago... not now... he's changed and no longer the "maverick" he loves to claim he is.. I respected him much more when he stood up against the majority of the republicans on issues, buit now he has tied himself to Bush and his policies.

      I just feel that anyone that supported either of these candidates at this point is being irrational to say they wouldn't vote for the other one if they won...
    • I respected him much more when he stood up against the majority of the republicans on issues, buit now he has tied himself to Bush and his policies.

      There's a part of me that wonders whether it's genuine or whether it's lip service necessary to get the much needed endorsement of the religious right and that he'll be his own person when he gets to the White House. I lost a lot of respect for him after he lay down with Jerry Falwell and their ilk, but I can't exactly wonder that a man who only voted "present" on most major reproductive freedom issues in the IL legislature is going to be much better (I'm still floored by NARAL's endorsement of him for that very reason).

      ETA: And I should note that I'm not a one issue voter (since I mentioned abortion/reproductive freedom, specifically), it was just the example that was freshest in my mind and one where I worry whether Obama is really in line with the Democratic platform.

      Edited at 2008-05-15 04:15 pm (UTC)
      • Yeah, but McCain still differs immensely on this topic... my problem with McCain is that he IS the polar opposite on these types of issues. So Obama may have voted "present" but McCain would have supported right to lifers as opposed to prochoice...

        Issues concerning war, economics, gay marriage, prochoice, future supreme court judges, etc... Clinton and Obama are way mroe in lockstep than McCain is, which is why I defent the notion that supporter of Obama and Clinton really should support eachothers candidates in the fall regardless of who the nominee is now, and who we passionately support. I have several friends who support both candidates, and both agreed from the get go that they have their reasons for supporting one over the other but vehemently agree that the ultimate goal is to stop Bush's policies in there tracks, and that McCain is just wrong (in our opinions) on so many levels, even if he is better than most republican choices out there...
        • At least McCain takes a stand, as opposed to Barack "Please 'em all" Obama. What's he going to do when there's a tough decision to make about whether to veto or sign a bill?
      • There's a part of me that wonders whether it's genuine or whether it's lip service necessary to get the much needed endorsement of the religious right and that he'll be his own person when he gets to the White House.

        I feel the same way. Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly believe that McCain is still a maverick, and that he's trying to unite his base and win this thing. Sometimes things have to get compromised to win...
    • Fortunately, every single one of the Clinton supporters I know don't think like this...

      Well, most of the Clinton supporters I know plan on voting for McCain if Obama gets the nod.

      I just feel that anyone that supported either of these candidates at this point is being irrational to say they wouldn't vote for the other one if they won...

      Not one thing about this primary has been rational. Excluding two major states from the process? Irrational. Endorsing someone after a huge loss? Irrational. Calling a reporter "sweetie?" Irrational. Accusing two strong advocates of civil rights racist? Irrational.

      I don't feel the need to save people from their own stupidity. If people want to nominate Obama, that's fine. But don't ask me to vote for him because it's the right thing to do, or whatever.
  • (no subject) - lietty
    • My shit list is so long at this point that I hardly know who is on it, but I definitely know Edwards is close to the top!
  • I'm still focused on Hill getting the nod. It's hers to lose. Even if the media's talking about running mates, people are still flocking to see HRC and WJC and CVC. They know who they want and it ain't the straw man.
  • John Edwards is a loser

    (Anonymous)
    He is such an also ran in this primary campaign, a mere footnote in the history books and not for endorsing Obama but for the other losing ticket he helped the democratic party dance off a cliff four years ago KERRY/EDWARDS. Does anyone have any suggestion about mobilizing more for Hillary? Hillary and Obama are running historic campaigns and just for the importance of their candidacy and what it means historically the democratic process should proceed unimpeded.

  • Hillary Clinton's decisive win in West Virginia caused John Edwards to throw his support to Barack Obama, the Illinois senator's aides said.

    John Edwards endorsed Barack Obama following Clinton's big win in West Virginia.

    Edwards was concerned that the Clinton storyline -- that Obama can't win white, working-class voters -- was becoming too damaging to Obama and the party, aides said.
    - CNN

    Now that's what I call stupid.
  • Edwards' Endorsement

    I thought I could count on John and Elizabeth Edwards because they said that they were in it for the "working" class and poor. Bullshit! I guess the $400 haircut tells you everything you need to know. The elite and the sexist are abound. I will only vote for Hillary. If it is Obama, McCain will win; and then I will vote for Hillary in 2012. I just received an email from moveon.org asking for a donation to stop the "swiftboating" of Barack Obama. I removed myself from their subscriber list. The reason being, their endorsement of Barack Obama and the fact that Hillary has been swiftboated since she declared her run for the Presidency. The democrats have attacked Hillary nonstop. I am watching Fox News just so I can get a fair and balanced report. Sad but true. My favorite commentators at MSNBC are Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan. I am so disappointed in the democrats, I am going to change my registration to Independent. Run Hillary Run. You know you will take 1/2 of Obamas votes. Let's see how does then.
    • Re: Edwards' Endorsement

      I am watching Fox News just so I can get a fair and balanced report. Sad but true.

      Actually, it is true - I'll have to go back to my bookmarks at home, but there was a media center that did an analysis of news coverage of the primary and found that Fox was the most balanced.
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